You forgot part 4…

This kind of thinking is why we haven’t colonized space, whilst man has been able to observe phenomenon for years, like electricity, it wasn’t until Faraday that we understood the underlying principles and laws behind it. It’s like saying that man has been using gravity, or friction, for milenia and that they were spiritually invented by the ancients, it doesn’t take a god to make you see that a rock falls or that things that rub together get hot. Only modern science explains the laws and rules behind these phenomenon and only after these laws have been written and proved by scientists do religious fanatics like yourself find obscure passages in scritpure, take them completely out of context and say “see there, right there it says , he saw him fall, that means that God wrote Newton’s law of universal gravitation in the Quoran two milenum before Newton”.
If the ancients had suddenly developed cellphones, i would agree that they had advanced technologies, from the aliens or from spiritual influences, but they didn’t. The arguments behind an ancient lightbulb well, they’re just as ridiculous as the book you take your quotes from. It says quote “where the caves were found (…) as having too low levels of oxygen to support lit torch light and pitch dark caves with no soot on the walls, yet perfect carvings that could not have been made in darkness” of course this is a foolproof argument, the caves are dark, there is no soot, hence no fire so the only light could’ve posibly have come from an ancient lightbulb that was the size of a man and generated light out of babilonian batteries. Of course modern man has not found any other sources of light than lightbulbs… forget about firefiles, or glowing clock dials (phosphorous and radium), or even mirrors (which would all be simpler explainations of these cave drawings) or maybe just maybe they did use a fire, and then they had servants clean the soot from the cave walls, scrape it off. Have you ever heard of Ocahm’s razor? he was a western philosopher that said that if there are two explainations for the same event than surely the simplest one is more likely to be correct. So of course we find cave drawings of something that looks like a lightbulb in a dark cave and the simplest explanation we can come up with is that the egyptians had lightbulbs, electricity. Never mind the obvious question as to how the blew the glass and made the seals to evacuate the air and by the way the picture you have does not have a filament that is ionized gas aka plasma and as far as we know you need very high voltages to produce it. The lightbulb as Edison invented it uses a tungsten filament in vacum which is incandescent when current flows through it. This is very different from a phosphorescent bulb that uses high voltage to ionize gas and produce light. So besides having the Babilonian’s batteries they had to have the know how to build an electric transformer to boost the voltage of those batteries (which on a good day would give you about 1volt) and the technology to wire the whole thing together and make it work.
So forget that there’s no evidence of any of this, why didn’t they put lightbulbs in everyone’s houses? or maybe the Pharos’ tombs? why just that one cave?
You say if we get wiped out that later generations will find our artifacts and say that we invented them before, well, as far as we know the egyptians were never wiped out. As far as I know there is still a country called Egypt.
You say that future generations will wonder how we carved the faces of the forefathers in stone, it’s not very complicated, you take a hammer and a chinsel and you hit the hammer. You don’t need to understand the physics behind it, nor have the engineering prowess to design it. You can simply try and try again until you succeed. That’s how they did it back in the Renaissance, and nobody today says aliens helped Michelangelo carve David, nor does anybody claim God had a hand in providing him with the marble.
You say that the ancients built feats of engineering that are advanced even by today’s standards. You must live in a dune desert, have you ever seen a skyscraper? what is different between the Empire State and a pyramid? I don’t know, maybe just maybe the Empire State has a height to base ratio that is greater than 1? as in its height is 800 feet and its base measured diagonally is 200 while a pyramid has a base which is much wider than its height. Hence it can be built by simply piling rocks one over the other. That’s how the ancients did it, they didn’t need the alien’s to tell them how, kids on beaches all over the world buidl sandcastles that look like pyramids because it’s easy. Of course you need labor, but lets face it, slavery was popular back then and if you had tons of free labor why not build marbles such as those.
Now you say something about cutting stone with diamonds, well i really don’t understand why the ancients couldn’t have used a diamond in its raw form to cut the stone. I mean really diamonds have been around for a long time, and their hardness shouldn’t have been a secret to anyone smart enough to try and smash one.
Really next time you try to refute science get your facts straight. It is evident you have no scientific background whatsoever. Nor do you have a very good grasp on history. But hey, don’t worry if science is right, we will all live happily ever after or die during a nuclear winter, if you’re right the aliens might come back or maybe God will….

Oh and i’m pretty sure u will moderate my comment there’s not much point of your webpage if people were able to refute your silly ideas using simple facts…..

Yeah Sure so u can look me up and kill me…

I think you are groping around in painful agony. I see no reason why we should seek to take the un-complex explanation when the Egyptians and ancients were much more complex than we are, and their structural constructions and alignments are certainly more complex than we can produce or appreciate. Get it? They are more complex, and more advanced, so I take the more complex possibility, a better bulb than we have today, rather than just a picture, and fire-flies and fire torches. 🙂

No, it’s not just the fact that they used diamond to cut those bricks, but the sizes of the bricks, the perfect dimensions, the alignments, and the terrain where they were found, where it would be so hard to move them there. You will need some little understanding of construction and structural engineering to appreciate the impossibility of their feats and then appreciate that they must have known also the ‘whys’ to move as they did, be their knowledge of the ‘why’s spiritual or textual. And myfren, the fact that they may not have written stuff down is not reason enough to assume they didn’t have that complex understanding, and teach it, and even write it in books that may have decayed, or where stolen by explorers and secretly used as manuscripts for coursing the ‘advances’ of today. Don’t be haughty, open your eyes, so the future people will do same to your generations records or the lack of them.

And if i may ask, of what use has our so-called generations applications and understandings of science been to nature? DEADLY! We are the worst scientific generation, all we have to our credit is space debris, green house depletion, diseases and forest depletion. I mean, how far did our so-called understanding get us when we can’t exist in peace with our environment? Conquer space and destroy it? I hope we get the f outta there, because we are the most useless of all technological eras, and all we have to our credit is a so-called understanding which is questionable, because understanding should give anabolism and not catabolism, as ours does. We and our technological era is the most useless in the earths history. I pray our era quickly passes and better species replace us. Yuk!

Think myfren, knowledge is Power. Stop being naive and being haughty in nothing and fooled.

The ancients were much more complex than we were? Do you have a degree in engineering because i do, and while i respect the grandure of the ancients and their achievements to say that they were mor technologically advanced than we were….. well that’s just hilarious. When they find an egyptian sarcophagous on the Moon, or find an artificial intelligence entity inside a mayan temple i’ll believe they were more advanced than we were. But don’t fret, you still have a generation or two to live in your ignorance, eventually our science and technology will become so advanced that religious nuts like yourself will have little to debate about.

Err…I guess we must use ‘our standards’, since it’s ‘our time’ to choose who has greater technological achievements. Pretty convenient ain’t it?

Well the things you seek have actually been found. Evidence of ancient human exploration in space, as also spaceship depiction in Mayan caves. You are a bit late.

That said- my definition of technology is not- complicated, rather useless and sadly- harmful devices, as appears to be your definition. My definition of technological advancement is- safe, eco-harmonious advances that help man progress safely, and at harmony with our ecosystem and galaxy.

Who wins now? By the way where does ‘your era’ dump its toxic and nuclear waste? Africa, the oceans and space right? Pity. Disgusting beings your generation are. Disgusting and to think you call this filth that brings on the Holocene extinction- technology?

“And if i may ask, of what use has our so-called generations applications and understandings of science been to nature? DEADLY! We are the worst scientific generation, all we have to our credit is space debris, green house depletion, diseases and forest depletion.”

Life expectancy in technological societies today is higher than at any time in human history. We have more wealth, more power, more information, better health, and more social justice than at any time in human history. That’s what technology has brought us. Can we do better? Sure we can.

“My definition of technological advancement is- safe, eco-harmonious advances that help man progress safely, and at harmony with our ecosystem and galaxy.”

Well, that’s nice, but we’re closer to that than we have been in the past. Ancient cultures have been much more successful than we at wiping themselves out through ecological disasters and other self-inflicted problems.

@ Mike,

Life well lived is not measured by digits. It’s not how long, it’s how well. There is no difference, my friend. Think about it deeply…the way we live time flies, and we live longer in years only but not any better.

Targeting the errors of science and current civilization, such as the pollution of space or the creation of the atomic bomb, seems like a low blow. Especially when you don’t acknowledge the good that has come of it. Everything come with pros and cons. I just want to point out that you are currently sharing your thoughts, debating beliefs and exposing people to religion in a way that was impossible during the time of the ancient Egyptians. I agree with you that the ancients were incredible in terms of their technological abilities, but I also agree with the “Yeah Sure…” guy when he says that the technology we have today far surpasses their abilities. We are communicating over an electronic network that spans the globe. We are talking without even knowing who communicating with. Regardless of whether the consequences of our current technology will end in the extinction of humanity, you have to admit that the internet is pretty cool… Seriously though, we are all human. Without the hard work of the slaves in ancient Egypt, the mathematicians of the middle east, philosophers of the Mediterranean, Scientists of the last two hundred years, and the architectural and software engineers of our current time we wouldn’t be where we are today. Our advancements for good or for evil, have been made through human sweat and blood. Whether they were inspired by God, Aliens, or the chaotic thoughts of chaotic human neurons, makes little difference in the end. We are in the here and now. Enjoy yourself, or make yourself miserable. Personally I find the feats of science beautiful, awe inspiring, and downright terrifying. Thank you both for sharing your thoughts.

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Your type of moderation that the world needs is the reason why I do go extreme sometimes. Thanks for your open mindedness.

Peace.

love to talk about the Qur’an!!!

This seems like a good site. You should post more regularly.

Youre stupid.

dumbasses. i hate you. YOURE ON GODAMNED COMPUTERS!!!!!!

gah. are you trolling?

What does being on computers have to do with anything? We are religious scientists, as were most of the greatest scientists….